Comic 1311 - Redesign

7th May 2020, 12:54 AM in Volume 6: Tetrapod Triumphant!
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Hex Hornet 7th May 2020, 1:00 AM edit delete reply
Hex Hornet
Oh, the over-the-top dumbness I've witnessed from BOTh sides of THIS particular argument...
This was a good strip.
I dig it!
Guest 7th May 2020, 1:07 AM edit delete reply
she did the right thing
Suckadick 7th May 2020, 1:32 AM edit delete reply
She did.
Guest 7th May 2020, 1:34 AM edit delete reply
No, she should've just left him there screaming for help.
Guest 7th May 2020, 10:57 AM edit delete reply
They were referring to dropping that many assholed cretin
Guest 7th May 2020, 3:41 PM edit delete reply
Yes I know. I'm saying she should have left that asshole without helping him with his "problem". Although now he has "Boy who Cried Wolf" going for him.
Guest 7th May 2020, 11:18 AM edit delete reply
She should have flown higher then dropped him
somercet 21st Mar 2021, 8:18 PM edit delete reply
Moonlight Woman did nothing wrong.
Candy2021 7th May 2020, 2:28 AM edit delete reply
Candy2021
I can't tell if this is a super on time commentary on SafeSpare and SnowFlake, a moderately late critique of super hero costumes in general or a very late shot at power girl. but it's funny either way. Always great to see Smuckles
Lilliput 7th May 2020, 3:07 AM edit delete reply
There is a phenomenon on reddit/twitter/tumblr/deviantart of redrawing characters from media and even other people's original characters to cater to a "desexualised" or "woke" design. The target characters are always female, often having an average to large bust, showing any skin beyond hands and face, and having an obscure/unspecified ethnicity. Compltely ignoring all other relevant details - such as the super strength here or that the character is a ninja and needs free movement - the character is then redesigned and placed into all covering clothes, often in a fashion that hinders movement, reduced bust size often to the extent of being as busty as a slim boy, a trendy haircut (such as the hero here being gifted an undercut), and slipped into an obvious racial category.
Blurth 8th May 2020, 6:14 AM edit delete reply
isn't that kind of sexist in itself?
Candy2021 8th May 2020, 10:09 AM edit delete reply
Candy2021
to an extent, yes! acting like women can't or don't have very large breasts is just as sexist as too many large breasts because women have both. it's scope we need, not one thing is better than the other.
Candy2021 8th May 2020, 10:21 AM edit delete reply
Candy2021
I understand the frustration of tons of fan servicey outfits but making everyone wear the same uniform as a S.W.A.T team member isn't the answer. I'm not sure we're on the same page with the ethnicity thing though, ambiguous race / mixed race / anyone whose not white in comics is a good thing... We just wrapped up a 22 long movie cinematic movie universe with Marvel and how many of them were lead by a black man? 1, We have 14 Disney princesses, how many of them are black? 1. Our media does not reflect our current population and that, aside from being inherently exclusionary is just plain bad business. there's so much more money to be made in markets of kids who want super heros who look like them and globally? not all of them are white - hell in the US alone I think like only 50%-60% of all kids are white? that's a huge chunk of the market being ignored and not raking in the bennys. As creators it should be their job to represent as many people as possible - if for no other reason than to tap into as many markets as possible. there are 7 billion people on the planet and AT LEAST 1 billion of those people are in Asia yet we've never had an Asian or Indian lead super hero in any movie I can think of in the US... that's money lost, huge market untapped. poor form.
Lilliput 12th May 2020, 2:07 PM edit delete reply
When I say an obscure race I mean usually either a brown person whose ethnicity is unstated, a Japanese person without obvious Japanese characteristics, a fantasy character with green/purple skin, or the creator is following "the neutral human" model. The obscure brown character is made into an offensive racial stereotype of an ethic identity, the Japanese person given a bowl cut/buck teeth/slanted eyes, the neutral or fantasy characters painted into human racial stereotypes.
Meat Man 7th May 2020, 4:32 AM edit delete reply
I MEAT MAN FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD COOK FOOD THE WAY YOU LIKE IT, AND RIBS ARE NO DIFFERENT! YOU LIKE YOUR RIBS SAUCY FUCKER? PUT SOME EXTRA SAUCE ON THEM WHORES (I LIKE USING KANSAS CITY STYLE BBQ SAUCE)! YOU LIKE YOUR RIBS FALLING OFF THE BONE? FOLLOW THIS 3 2 1 RIB METHOD! THESE ARE YOUR RIBS AFTER ALL. DON’T YOU LET THE MAN GET YOU DOWN. JUST DON’T. HERE’S HOW TO COOK YOUR RIBS USING THE 3 2 1 METHOD: SMOKE FOR 3 HOURS. START WITH EXPOSING THE SEASONED RIBS TO 3 HOURS OF HEAVY SMOKE OVER LOW HEAT. I PREFER FRUIT WOODS (APPLE OR CHERRY) WHEN SMOKING PORK, BUT OTHER HARDWOODS (HICKORY AND ALDER) ALSO WORK REALLY WELL WITH RIBS. WRAP FOR 2 HOURS. AFTER THE INITIAL 3-HOUR SMOKE, FOIL THE RIBS WITH A LIQUID OF YOUR CHOOSING (I USED APPLE CIDER, 1/4 CUP DARK BROWN SUGAR, AND 2-3 TABLESPOONS OF BUTTER) AND COOK AT 225-250 DEGREES FOR 2 MORE HOURS. AFTER THE BRAISING PERIOD I LOOK FOR GREAT RETRACTION OF THE MEAT FROM THE BONES. I WANT THE BONES TO BE EXPOSED ON THE END AT LEAST 1/4 TO 1/2 AN INCH. SAUCE AND SMOKE FOR 1 HOUR. LASTLY, BASTE THE RIBS BASTED IN YOUR FAVORITE BBQ SAUCE AND RETURN THEM TO THE GRILL FOR A FINAL HOUR TO HOUR AND A HALF TO FINISH THE RIBS AND SET THE SAUCE. STICKY, SWEET, TENDER, AND OH SO SAVORY, 3 2 1 RIBS ARE PROBABLY THE MOST REQUESTED MEAL I RECEIVE FOR POTLUCKS OR FAMILY DINNERS. I TEND TO FALL BACK ON THESE RIBS FOR GATHERINGS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY WILL DELIVER THAT TENDER, FLAVORFUL PORKY FLAVOR EVERY TIME. AND SOMETIMES CONSISTENCY IS SUPER IMPORTANT! INGREDIENTS 1 RACK BABY BACK RIBS 2 TBSP SIGNATURE SWEET RUB 1 CUP APPLE CIDER APPLE JUICE ALSO WORKS 1/4 CUP DARK BROWN SUGAR 2-3 TBSP SALTED BUTTER 1/2 CUP BBQ SAUCE BEGIN BY REMOVING THE MEMBRANE ON THE BACK OF THE RIBS LIBERALLY SEASON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIBS USING THE SWEET RUB, STARTING WITH THE BONE SIDE. PREPARE YOUR SMOKER FOR INDIRECT SMOKING. TARGET TEMPERATURE IS BETWEEN 180-200 WITH THIN BLUE SMOKE. PLACE THE SEASONED RIBS ON THE SMOKER AND CLOSE THE LID. LEAVE THEM TO SMOKE FOR 3 HOURS. TEAR OFF A LARGE PIECE OF ALUMINUM FOIL AND PLACE IT ON A LARGE WORKING SURFACE. TRANSFER THE RIBS TO THE FOIL BONE SIDE UP SO THE BONES DON'T TEAR THROUGH THE FOIL. SPRINKLE WITH THE BROWN SUGAR, TOP WITH THE BUTTER CUT INTO SMALL PADS, AND THEN POUR OVER THE APPLE CIDER. TIGHTLY CRIMP THE FOIL TOGETHER TO CREATE AN AIRTIGHT SEAL. RETURN TO THE GRILL AND INCREASE YOUR COOKING TEMPERATURE TO AS CLOSE TO 225 DEGREES AS YOU CAN GET IT. LET THE RIBS BRAISE FOR 2 HOURS IN THE FOIL. CAREFULLY REMOVE THE RIBS FROM THE GRILL AND PLACE ON A LARGE WORKING SURFACE. OPEN THE FOIL PACKAGE (BE CAREFUL OF HOT STEAM) AND USE TONGS TO REMOVE THE RIBS AND PLACE THEM BACK ON THE GRILL, BONE SIDE DOWN. DISCARD THE FOIL AND EXCESS COOKING LIQUID, BRUSH THE RIBS WITH YOUR FAVORITE BBQ SAUCE, CLOSE THE LID OF YOUR GRILL AND COOK AT 225 DEGREES FOR AN ADDITIONAL HOUR UNTIL THE RIBS ARE DONE TO YOUR DESIRED TENDERNESS AND THE SAUCE IS STICKY AND SET. WRAAAA FUCKING KILL IN THE PIT
hmmm 7th May 2020, 4:37 AM edit delete reply
that's fair
awgiedawgie 7th May 2020, 6:52 AM edit delete reply
awgiedawgie
I hate ribs.
Nega Meat Man 7th May 2020, 8:18 AM edit delete reply
i nega meat man believe that people should only eat meat the way i like it. fuck you, meat man, i, your arch-nemesis nega meat man, have struck again!
Rayn 7th May 2020, 12:24 PM edit delete reply
And your strike, Nega Meat Man, is the winning one, because unlike Meat Man's speal, I'll actually read the three smaller sentences that you sent. I'm not reading that giant paragraph yelling at me
Nega Meat Man 12th May 2020, 3:25 AM edit delete reply
another victory for me! fuck you again, meat man!
Blurth 8th May 2020, 6:09 AM edit delete reply
''I think i'm gonna stop eating Meat Man.''
L 5th Oct 2022, 5:49 AM edit delete reply
THANKS MEAT MAN
Cakehole69 7th May 2020, 4:34 AM edit delete reply
I love her
Guest 7th May 2020, 5:01 AM edit delete reply
Ok, now i want a cómic that shows Berserker-man and Ballhalla. I need the goods! I need the Bara!!!
Guest 7th May 2020, 5:46 AM edit delete reply
I like that basic design this guy did.
Just the outfit though.
Gornklinth 7th May 2020, 6:23 AM edit delete reply
Oh my lord is that a cal arts joke I see?
GUIGUI 7th May 2020, 7:30 AM edit delete reply
I dunno, maybe she DOES need a redesign. I mean, for someone with a power based on the moon, shouldn't the design of her costume put more focus on her butt than on her chest?
awgiedawgie 8th May 2020, 5:47 AM edit delete reply
awgiedawgie
To be fair, the way it shows her cleavage, it makes it look kind of like a butt.
Chung Bungalow 7th May 2020, 8:21 AM edit delete reply
l ll
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3bodYking99 17th Oct 2021, 10:05 AM edit delete reply
Obviously I get it, but what does lose have to do with this?
OneBigFox 7th May 2020, 9:20 AM edit delete reply
I really want to see Berserker-Man and Ballhalla now
Guest 7th May 2020, 10:55 AM edit delete reply
Say, isn't Moonlight Woman kind of long? Or there's a Moonlight Man as well?
Guest 7th May 2020, 11:21 AM edit delete reply
Can’t be too skinny, can’t be too big, can’t be too tall, can’t be too short.

I hate the “it’s unrealistic” excuse meaning people have to go by a law of averages. Also, what’s this guys deal when he lives in a world where super hero skin is probably more durable than any material a uniforms could be made out of? At that point exposure doesn’t really mean anything
Guest 7th May 2020, 2:31 PM edit delete reply
What gets my goat is these same people touting "realism" with their body proportions are all big proponents of 'every body is different' when it comes to them personally and how they relate to beauty standards. Every body is different, why take all the comic book characters (definitely not just the female ones, right?) and make them all look like pre-pubescent boys?
awgiedawgie 8th May 2020, 5:48 AM edit delete reply
awgiedawgie
The guy himself has two buttholes. How is that realistic?
Guest 30th Sep 2022, 6:37 PM edit delete reply
Rare, sure, but I doubt it's never happened in real life.

Apparently it HAS happened in real life, as has two penises:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3448231/
Guest 7th May 2020, 11:21 AM edit delete reply
Can’t be too skinny, can’t be too big, can’t be too tall, can’t be too short.

I hate the “it’s unrealistic” excuse meaning people have to go by a law of averages. Also, what’s this guys deal when he lives in a world where super hero skin is probably more durable than any material a uniforms could be made out of? At that point exposure doesn’t really mean anything
Guest 7th May 2020, 12:07 PM edit delete reply
She's obviously a riff on Power Girl, but she also reminds me of the mother from the manga Don't Meddle with My Daughter.
StLOrca 7th May 2020, 1:16 PM edit delete reply
StLOrca
Doc, that GTFO face is possibly the best I’ve ever seen.
Rigenstein 7th May 2020, 3:44 PM edit delete reply
That first panel is perfect, it makes me want to punch that guy in the face, I can HEAR the high pitch of his stupid voice...good job Doc
Belades 7th May 2020, 4:31 PM edit delete reply
Mixed feelings because this somehow SIMULTANEOUSLY feels extremely accurate and like an alignment with/satirization of a mischaracterization.

Stupidly long response incoming feel free to scroll down and I'll preface it by going "yes yes I'm aware, is joke (and funny joke, I like it), I just feel like this is also something worth talking about, since even if not necessarily what the comic is meant to be about, this aligns with a mischaracterization I feel like I see a lot so maybe it'll give an opportunity for people to learn something or get a new perspective"

On the one hand, the overall argument tends to be towards trends, not individual designs, with individual designs being used to highlight the trends or vent annoyance that the trend is continuing. People don't care about berserker man wearing less because he is the only male hero who dresses so skimpily. If the MAJORITY of male heroes dressed like berserker man, people would care. Meanwhile you see almost a majority of female heroes and villains with large racks and exposed skin, whereas you don't see many crotch bulges from men, and while prominent buts on men aren't necessarily uncommon, they're still not nearly as common as on women(side note:men and women have radically different standards of exposure). People are kinda frustrated that women don't really get as many heavily armored, creepy, average attractiveness, UNNATTRACTIVE (without being monstrous) or practical designs as men do and I kinda get that. I think that "I really wish my demographic got more of the kinds of designs, details, and focuses as this other demographic gets, and I'm kind of frustrated that that still only happens with extreme rarity and that those rare examples are often minor characters and claimed to be proof that there's zero discrepancy despite the fact that they're still exponentially less common for this demographic than the other one" is a fair emotion to have and express. And the idea of "I think we have some preconceived notions on what is marketable for designs of characters of this demographic that is notably limiting creativity and variety, and being aware of it can help us create a wider variety of characters and start having fun making things we hadn't thought to before" (The subject of objectification vs. Power fantasy though..... way more nuanced and less simple and notably less definitive yada yada yada, not only not worth going into but probably a BAD IDEA to do so)

HOWEVER WITH ALL THAT OUT OF THE WAY and me being a "durr hurr hurr" fuddy duddy fun killer missing the joke and looking into things too deeply over with, there are 100% people like him who nitpick every single design purely in isolation and obsessively bring real world logic into it, often in an attempt to be "woke", don't like the idea of artists being able to have fun and make what they want to make, and those who feel like those kinds of designs have no place and should never exist, just like butt-chin over here. They're absolutely insufferable and I would drop them too.

(Also on the direct flipside of the jackass coin are those guys who see a practical or NON sexy design and start complaining about how "pc bullshit ruins everything".
Minus some certain hyperspecific exceptions)
Belades 7th May 2020, 4:32 PM edit delete reply
Right, relevant side note: legit love her design, it's gorgeous and looks cool.
Belades 7th May 2020, 6:21 PM edit delete reply
(@doc, feel free to delete that comment btw, super understand if you don't want that unnecessary word vomit cluttering up the comments, especially about such a topic most people here probably really don't want to hear about. I had an extensive allegory involving clowns for how people like buttchin absolutely exist but how people talking about something totally different from what he is are treated and portrayed as if they're talking about and making the exact same arguments and caring about the exact same things for the same reason as those irl buttchins. However, I felt like I've probably said enough already and this isn't the right time or place to put it.)
DoctorGlasgow 7th May 2020, 6:25 PM edit delete reply
DoctorGlasgow
I think comments shouldn't be mucked with too much. If I don't want people having discussions about things I wouldn't have the comments open at all.
DoctorGlasgow 7th May 2020, 6:31 PM edit delete reply
DoctorGlasgow
I should say as well that my core gripe here is not necessarily de-sexualized costumes, but BORING costumes. Stuff that looks "practical" and "realistic", when superheroes are supposed to be about larger-than-life fantasy. Captain Marvel shouldn't need kneepads, she's invulnerable to most damage.
Belades 7th May 2020, 8:51 PM edit delete reply
Oh yeah definitely. Preventing boring designs was actually part of main focus of the allegory I decided not to post, and the legitimate problem of how many redesigns are boring themselves got brought up too. (I MIGHT post it to my tumblr later since I am still amused by some of the examples, and yes, I am aware of the irony).
Guest 8th May 2020, 3:24 AM edit delete reply
But the kids might try to emulate her and scuff a knee! :V
awgiedawgie 8th May 2020, 5:53 AM edit delete reply
awgiedawgie
And then the kids will quickly realize that they are not, in fact, superheroes, so they need to take extra precautions.

Once upon a time, kids learned by doing.
Guest 9th May 2020, 10:04 AM edit delete reply
The "pc sjw crap ruin everything" people are a response from crap like characters and fiction being changed "because it was sexist, you incels" so it's understandable. It's just an overreaction that started with "fixing" the property in the first place.
Belades 7th May 2020, 8:54 PM edit delete reply
Smuckles was later hired by Marvel to design the New Warriors.
Thracecius 7th May 2020, 9:02 PM edit delete reply
Thracecius
Did he ever stop to consider that his opinion might be offensive to her? Maybe this costume was her choice because she likes the way it looks? That's his biggest error.

Reality in fictional stories about super powered individuals is, at best, a passing thing almost entirely used as window dressing for the setting. The best use of "The Real World" that I recall was Captain America coordinating with NYPD, NYFD and National Guard in the first Avengers movie. Those minor moments really cemented my love of his character and that us normals are not just collateral damage. Subsequent movies failed to deliver that feeling though, which is not suprising since Joss Whedon wasn't directing.

Now there's a director who knows how to deliver story, action, pacing and emotion all in the right amounts. Firefly is easily the best TV show I've ever watched for leaving a lasting impression of multiple characters in so short of time. He must have taken lessons from Agatha Christie on brief, but impactful & memorable, characterization.
Belades 8th May 2020, 4:45 AM edit delete reply
I mean, he did keep directing superhero films afterwards. Like Age of Ultron! And The Justice League!
Belades 8th May 2020, 4:49 AM edit delete reply
Oops yeah if I recall he also wrote the final version of Thor: The Dark World. I'm not sure how I forgot about that one.
ROLLTIDE69420 7th May 2020, 10:57 PM edit delete reply
I do appreciate the Tumblr nose.
Guest 7th May 2020, 11:32 PM edit delete reply
Does that mean this character is finally dead? maimed horribly?
Guest 8th May 2020, 5:23 AM edit delete reply
Did he just tell her to her face her breasts were unrealistic?

Kinda reminds me of my friend though. She based a lot of her character models off people she actually knew and saw, so there were real world equivalents to the proportions she used. Then one character had large breasts because that particular person happened to, and the comment section blew up calling them sexist, the proportions unrealistic and saying no real woman would look like that. I mean she went out of her way to show what might not be the most typical way to draw proportions, but they were diverse and 100% realistic, some may just not have been average....because no human fits into an average perfectly. Can’t please everyone and some people will just interpret what they see from their own perspective even if you give context.

As a side note for the costume itself, I love hers, especially the shade used. Had she managed to even get the one he design on, I don’t even want to imagine how uncomfortable it’d be. Not even mentioning how tight it'd feel and movement issues, breathing would problematic. He argues that his design is the most realistic and practical, but he hasn’t even taken her build into account when he clearly had her in mind for it. He’s made it from the perspective of a normal, everyday person, not a superhero who doesn’t need those protective pads. The whole point of a lot of comic book characters is that they aren’t typical, and the needs for their outfits aren’t either. Take a lot of the designs for deathstroke; modular and specialised armor to suit his specific needs. If you standardised it for the average soldier or person it defeats the point. There’s something to be said for relatable hero perspectives, but some are just larger than life spectacles because it’s meant to be unrealistic in the first place.
Blurth 8th May 2020, 6:00 AM edit delete reply
Nice Powergirl variation you made there Doc. Love the costume.
MrGreen 9th May 2020, 9:57 AM edit delete reply
The worst thing about those redesigns is the arrogant "I fixed it for you" or "now she looks like a human, ugh" self-righteous ego stroking.